Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CL2IV-00054x-3U for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:29:47 -0700 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.193] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 16:29:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: lojban@solipsys.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86112 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2004 16:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2004 16:29:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2004 16:29:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 16:28:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.248] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2004 16:28:46 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041022144854.11780.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "riderofgiraffes" X-Originating-IP: 83.104.25.49 X-Yahoo-Profile: riderofgiraffes MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:28:43 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Help in examples ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8834 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban@solipsys.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1299 Lines: 43 >> Please can someone provide me with a few examples >> where a sumti cannot be passed of as "just a complex >> sort of noun"? > > There's no such thing ... If we > called the sumti "noun phrases", the gismu "simple > verbs" and so on, we could speak about lojban grammar > in English just fine. I think that turns out not to be entirely the case. {blanu}, for example, is not well described as a "verb" because it subsumes the verb "to be". The selbri, and brivla in particular, have almost swayed her because of the unification offered by predicates. Counter examples to sumti=noun might get most of the way there. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/