From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Wed Oct 20 05:36:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17809 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 12:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 12:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 12:36:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKFh6-00070E-Sx for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:35:57 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKFfd-0006z4-Gv; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:34:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41902.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKFeh-0006yT-1m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:33:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20041020123255.60616.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:32:55 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:32:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20041019232727.91409.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 8804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Subject: [lojban] Re: jordis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23210 --- jordi mas wrote: > --- Jorge Llambías > wrote: > > there is no convention for explicit marking of > > focus yet. Possible candidate markers are {ba'e} > > (emphasis) and > > {bi'u} (new-information). > > thx. > > But how does "focus" differ from "new information"? Well, this is what CLL says about {bi'u}: -------------------------------------------------- The uses of ``bi'u'' and ``bi'unai'' correspond to one of the uses of the English articles ``the'' and ``a/an''. An English-speaker telling a story may begin with ``I saw a man who ...''. Later in the story, the same man will be referred to with the phrase ``the man''. Lojban does not use its articles in the same way: both ``a man'' and ``the man'' would be translated ``le nanmu'', since the speaker has in mind a specific man. However, the first use might be marked ``le bi'u nanmu'', to indicate that this is a new man, not mentioned before. Later uses could correspondingly be tagged ``le bi'unai nanmu''. -------------------------------------------------- But that's not the same as focus. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail