From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Oct 29 02:04:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1993 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2004 09:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2004 09:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2004 09:04:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CNSaJ-000345-BD for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:58:11 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNSZc-00033E-1B; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:57:28 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CNSZX-00032y-Hx for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:57:24 -0700 Received: by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix, from userid 72) id 6183C26F38; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:56:44 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [139.179.111.103] (ppp103.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.103]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A425226E85 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:56:42 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4182081D.5060807@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:06:37 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040914 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 8869 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: robin From: robin Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Subject: [lojban] Re: "act so that" without ko? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23275 Mr Ekted wrote: > > ko klama > [act so that] you leave > Leave! > > What if I wanted to say something like: > > [act so that] I leave > Make me leave! > > There's no place for ko in that selbri since "you" doesn't have a > place. What do you do? Is there another syntax to specify a command? > Perhaps you could make "you" the point of departure: mi klama fi ko Act so that I go with point-of-departure you. or alternatively... mi cliva ko Act so that I leave you. If there is no place that could logically be filled by "do" (e.g. you want to be made to go somewhere, but not away from the person), you could try a causal modal: mi klama mu'i le nu ko tarti Behave so as to motivate me to go. Or with sumti-raising: mi klama mu'i tu'a ko robin.tr -- "His youngest brother, Tendzin Choegyal, says one of the Dalai Lama's greatest finds of recent years was super-glue -- second, in fact, only to the more recent discovery of super-glue remover." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin