From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Oct 19 11:04:48 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42591 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CJyLf-0001pZ-Hd for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:04:39 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJyKX-0001nv-R9; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:03:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [69.55.227.156] (helo=transfinite.hypercomplex.net ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CJyJy-0001nX-30 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:02:54 -0700 Received: from surreality.us (ca-fontana3b-48.snbrca.adelphia.net [24.55.158.48]) by transfinite.hypercomplex.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.4.swsoft) with ESMTP id i9JI2pUK007809 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:02:51 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ben) by surreality.us with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJrle-0007hT-HW for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:03:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20041019130327.GB17868@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> References: <20041019090753.GA13645@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> <20041019121741.93448.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> <20041019130327.GB17868@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:03:02 +0000 Message-Id: <1098183782.27821.1.camel@ben> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.4 (transfinite.hypercomplex.net [69.55.227.156]); Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:02:51 -0700 ( X-archive-position: 8778 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: treed@surreality.us X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Theodore Reed From: Theodore Reed Reply-To: treed@surreality.us Subject: [lojban] Re: jordis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23186 On Tue, 2004-10-19 at 14:03 +0100, Martin Bays wrote: > Well that's a different case - the difference here is only one of emphasis. > The two sentences are logically equivalent, and it is a matter of English > idiom that the first emphasises the te tavla - so imho it would be malglico to > copy the construction to Lojban. I would like to take this moment to point out the usefulness of ba'e. mu'omi'e bancus