From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Nov 21 02:53:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87292 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 10:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2004 10:53:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 10:53:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CVpI3-0008Oe-PF for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:49:56 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CVpHJ-0008O7-D2; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:49:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from a.mx.zettai.net ([207.58.154.6]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CVpGw-0008Nx-Qa for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:48:47 -0800 Received: (qmail 12475 invoked by uid 1012); 21 Nov 2004 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from grey.havens@online.fr by beta.zettai.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamdscan: 0.70. spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:RC:1(81.56.52.12):. Processed in 0.090806 secs); 21 Nov 2004 10:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.42?) (mail@raphael.poss.name@81.56.52.12) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 10:48:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041120193415.GS28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20041120170146.GN28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200411201220.30286.phma@phma.hn.org> <20041120175240.GR28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20041120193415.GS28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-4-320409027" Message-Id: <097F3027-3BAB-11D9-B4B7-000D9329C984@online.fr> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:49:36 +0100 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-archive-position: 9024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: grey.havens@online.fr X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Poss?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Poss?= Reply-To: grey.havens@online.fr Subject: [lojban] Re: Empasizing an entire structure in forethought? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23427 --Apple-Mail-4-320409027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Le 20 nov. 04, =E0 20:34, Robin Lee Powell a =E9crit : > On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 09:52:40AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 20, 2004 at 12:20:30PM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> On Saturday 20 November 2004 12:01, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>>> On IRC, I had cause to translate "Do not be to quick to deal >>>> in death and judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all >>>> ends." >>>> >>>> I (eventually) came up with: >>>> >>>> .i ko na duske lo nu sutra gasnu lo nu morsi gi'e pajni .i lo >>>> mutce prije na kakne lo nu djuno ro nu fanmo >>>> >>>> I had a lot of trouble with "even", however. >>>> >>>> Apparently, http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=3Deven, >>>> even in this case is just empasis, which I can accept. What >>>> I'm unclear on is how to emphasize all of "lo mutce prije" in >>>> forethough. I mean, {lo ba'e mutce ba'e prije} works, but >>>> it's a bit unsatisfying. >>>> >>>> Suggestions? >>> >>> Isn't "even" in this sense {ji'asai}? So you could say {lo >>> ji'asai mutce prije}. >> >> I don't think so. > > But I think {lo ku'i mutce prije} is The Right Thing. "The > in-contrast very wise people". "In contrast *to you*" is implied, > as it is in the English. > Like xorxes I often use "ji'asai" for "even", and sometimes "ku'i". Why not: .iku'i lo mutce prije kuji'asai na kakne... --=20 Rapha=EBl --=20 Rapha=EBl Poss - raphael@pilotsystems.net Pilot Systems - 66, rue de Provence - 75009 Paris Tel : +33 1 44 53 05 55 - http://www.pilotsystems.net H=E9bergement Zope et Plone gratuit - http://www.objectis.org --Apple-Mail-4-320409027 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?= content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit [Attachment content not displayed.] --Apple-Mail-4-320409027--