From tinuviel@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr Fri Nov 26 19:45:41 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: tinuviel@sparcs.kaist.ac.kr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58741 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 03:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2004 03:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 03:45:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2004 03:45:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:45:06 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2331 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.37 From: "sshiskom" X-Originating-IP: 222.233.187.90 Subject: Third try on alliteration X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=179208444 X-Yahoo-Profile: sshiskom X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23452 .i le CINki cu CMOni || CA le nu CARvi .i le PELxu cu FARlu || .i PY PEZli .i le BANfi ba SIPna || .imu'i bo se BALvi le DUNra .ije MU'i gi MI go'e || gi MENli TATpi Bugs are chirping in the rain, Yellow-fall, those are leaves. Frog will sleep for it will be wintertime, And I will do the same for my mind is tired. ---- What is an alliterative meter? I think Tristan Mc Leay could do much better job at explaining this than me, but here's my try: (If you don't want to listen to beginner's try, go to http://alliteration.net/ and read 'em. Great resource. But it won't talk about Lojban, of course.) 1. There's four syllables which bears special emphasis in each line. (Those are marked capital above.) These should be stressed syllable in polysyllabic word, or syllable in monosyllabic word. Also these syllables are contained in semantically significant part of the phrase. 2. A line is composed of two-half lines, each containing two of stressed syllables. (This is marked || above.) Half-lines should be a natural phrase in itself. (Not cut in the middle.) 3. Two of stressed syllables, namely the first on in each half-line, must alliterate. (What is alliteration is defined language-dependent.) 4. Optionally, third alliteration can be put on the second stressed syllable of the first half-line. 5. In traditional style, the last stressed syllable (the second one in the second half-line), must not alliterate. (This is because old Germanic languages of which this meter is born was all falling-tone. But modern English is not, and middle English poets (as opposed to old English poets) violate this from time to time. Thus traditional style.) 6. For Lojban, I decided that consonant cluster alliterates with single consonant. So /tr/ati and /tc/ena, /c/inki and /c/moni alliterates. Call me lazy. 7. Traditionally, only noun, adjective, in a less extant verb, rarely pronoun, only those are semantically significant and can have metrically relevant alliteration. For Lojban, I decided gismu (of course), and also BAI cmavo, in a less extant pronoun and pro-bridi, rarely PU or PA, are allowed. Thus {mu'i} and {mi} get alliteration above, also {tu'i} in "tu'i le tarci". I should consider using cmene and fu'ivla -- they will be handy. Also PA+MOI or PA+ROI must be nice to use. mi'e sanxiyn.