Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CP7iw-0002Zs-CK for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:05:58 -0800 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 23:05:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2004 23:05:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64926 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 23:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2004 23:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 23:04:10 -0000 Received: from [192.168.40.64] ([63.197.243.251]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iA2N33508785; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:03:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20040809185802.GQ1912@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <200408030025.i730PrA28936@xahlee.org> <20040809185802.GQ1912@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: <63216045-2D23-11D9-B149-000A95C58224@xahlee.org> Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.130.99.40 From: xah lee X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 15:03:19 -0800 Subject: [lojban] Re: how to say manifold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 8922 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xah@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 2689 Lines: 77 hi Robin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifold an informal explanation can be found in this harangue: http://www.xahlee.org/Writ_dir/comp_lang_lisp/153.txt excerpt: Manifold, like polytope, is a generic name for certain concept of arbitrary dimensions. In 2-D, we have curves. For example, most of you know that the graph of y=x^2 is a parabola, and y=x is a line. These things are called plane curves. The curves themselves are of 1-dimension, but they sits in a 2-dimensional plane. Now, in 3-dimensions, we can also plot functions to form space curves or surfaces. For example, z=x+y is a plane, and z=x*y is a saddle shaped surface. Restricting the values of y to a constant then we have curves in space. Here, the idea is that in 3-D we can have 1-D objects like curves, or 2-D objects like surfaces. As with regular solids of higher dimensions, mathematician's imagination faculties thought about curves and surfaces in higher dimensions. Basically, in n-dimension you can have "curves/surfaces" that has dimensions less then n. For example, in 3-D we can have the 2-D surfaces or the 1-D curves, and in 2-D plane we can have 1-D curves or 0-D dots. Therefore, in 4-dimensional space, we can have not only 0-D dots or 1-D curves or 2-D surfaces, but we can also have "curve/surface-like" objects that's 3-D, sitting in 4-D space. The general name for these curve/surface-like objects in arbitrary dimensions is called _MANIFOLD_. Thus, a curve is just a 1-dimensional manifold. A surface is a 2-dimensional manifold. How fantastically fascinating. Thanks. Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html On Aug 9, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 08:25:53PM -0400, xahlee.org wrote: > how to say manifold? > > in particular, curves and surfaces? Can you give me a link to the definition of manifold that you are thinking about? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/