From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Nov 20 09:06:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76662 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 17:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2004 17:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 17:06:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CVYgf-0005tf-77 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:06:13 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CVYfm-0005ra-CL; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CVYfZ-0005rL-BB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:05:05 -0800 Message-ID: <20041120170505.GO28493@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i X-archive-position: 9016 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Archivist/Founders: {ri'a nai} vs. {se mau nai} X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23419 I'm looking at the BAI* cmavo, and I notice that {ri'a nai} (and {ki'u nai}, and so on) all mean something like "despite (tagged sumti)", whereas the only non-causative BAI NAI sumti ({se mau nai} and {se ma'e nai} mean something like "it is not the case that (tagged sumti)". The "despite" thing seems to be a huge wart, and I'm wondering if you guys had anything in mind for BAI+NAI *in general*. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/