From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Nov 09 04:49:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15345 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2004 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 12:49:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CRVQN-0003nv-Kg for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 04:48:39 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CRVIc-0003bj-HI; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 04:40:38 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 09 Nov 2004 04:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-102-tuesday.noc.nerim.net ([62.4.17.102] helo=mallaury.noc.nerim.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CRVHp-0003aq-2e for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 04:39:49 -0800 Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pilot.net2.nerim.net [213.41.129.7]) by mallaury.noc.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E7C62E78 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:39:40 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <87828601-324C-11D9-9684-000D9329C984@online.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-20--709742213" Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:40:25 +0100 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0.2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-archive-position: 8967 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: grey.havens@online.fr X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Poss?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Poss?= Reply-To: grey.havens@online.fr Subject: [lojban] Questions about the Magic Words X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23371 --Apple-Mail-20--709742213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, I am now reading the Magic Words wiki page, and it actually challenges=20 what I thought I previously knew about the lojba grammar. I would very much appreciate if someone could enlighten me on the=20 following points : 1. "zo y bu =3D=3D (zo bu) [one y ignored]" or "zo y bu =3D=3D (zo (y bu))"= ? 2. is "broda lo'u brode fa'o" grammatical ? (can we assume that fa'o=20 closes all elidable terminators, even le'u ?) 3. what remains after "zo y bu si" ? 4. what remains after "zoi zoi zo zoi sa zo" ? (I ask because I notice=20 sa is processed before zoi) 5. is the word juste after "sa" erased with the sa itself ? (I think=20 not, but please confirm) 6. I notice that fa'o is processed before zoi : what remains after=20 "broda zoi zoi fa'o" ? (is the quote automatically closed, or does the=20 sumti become ungrammatical ?) 7. in case "no" to 5, about zei, I can read: "it affects whatever is to=20 the left after the erasing is done; if nothing is left an error=20 result". What remains after "broda zei brode sa zei brodi" ? A few other cases spring to my mind, but their relevancy depends on the=20 answers to the previous questions, so I will probably wait the next=20 round for them :) Thanks in advance, --=20 Rapha=EBl --Apple-Mail-20--709742213 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?= content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit [Attachment content not displayed.] --Apple-Mail-20--709742213--