From hermite1729@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 17 06:55:25 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: hermite1729@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97657 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 14:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2004 14:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 14:55:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 14:55:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.253] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2004 14:55:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:55:24 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2052 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "hermite1729" X-Originating-IP: 62.252.192.6 Subject: First post :) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177134027 X-Yahoo-Profile: hermite1729 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23408 Hi there, I'm a complete newbie whose only just started learning the grammar, but it seems like such a fantastic language (I had no idea constructed languages this big existed), I thought I'd give advance warning of lots of annoying newbie-like questions and ask if this was the right place for them. It seems like quite a challenge to become fluent at it despite the motivation of it being such a clear and well defined language, so I must admit I'm curious how many people speak it and how the number of people communicating with it can be increased. The interests in which I've found english to be most awkward, ambiguous or inefficient to communicate in so far include: mathematics chess and go (baduk, wei chi) music theory algorithms science in general programming patterns I guess it's no coincidence that each of these have developed their own extensive vocabularies and visual notations, but could we demonstrate that lojban can communicate these more effectively/efficiently than english? Would trying to slowly convince one of these communities be a good step in evangelising lojban :) Go in particular is a game with a very large online community from a great many countries, that is itself very much like a visual language, and learning Go is often compared with learning a language (an old name for Go is "shou tan" menaing "hand talk"). Large numbers of players are from China, Japan, Korea, USA and Europe, the large number of terms and sayings are different in each, so a common language would be wonderful. Also the community has a great interest in how they communicate and teach different aspects of the game to each other, and, efficiency is one of the most important aspects of actually playing Go well. Anyhow, just an idea :) http://senseis.xmp.net/?StartingPoints http://www.kiseido.com Can all the terms in these six areas be introduced into lojban solely by the addition of more cmene and tanru or would it be much more complicated? .u'e.a'u.ui cmalu lijda (Paul Kirby(?))