From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Dec 22 16:35:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60434 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2004 00:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2004 00:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2004 00:35:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1ChGwm-0000F0-GC for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:35:16 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChGwa-0000ER-Fn; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:35:04 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from web51606.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChGwN-0000Dn-J4 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:34:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 44738 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2004 00:34:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=w6hTMVVRDw/I9uFeMlIPsEDJeDB7c/ilfliV9u50CAvpd2Qk3smMxklRp9pYbBljnulinUw5mmG9W+XFxJrUEm4zhjIraNLusSDht4GCnjTcnIGc72wUVrEBBg0Bb6/FPIJ8IFQ5A1vDRzKUOi8FjN/tBeRiBO9d2sfilb+3zNI= ; Message-ID: <20041223003420.44736.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.57.112.53] by web51606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:34:20 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:34:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20041223000949.GC20429@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jordimastrullenque@yahoo.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: jordi mas From: jordi mas Reply-To: jordimastrullenque@yahoo.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Founders: ja'o and ni'ikri X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23509 > Yes, but we also believe things *regardless* of > proof, or things > where we believe (heh) that proof exists but have > not actually > examined it ourselves. There are *lots* of those, > and krici should > cover them. And there are also LOTS of beliefs that we don't think *need* a proof. They are simply assumed because everybody says so, or becuase everybody nearby seem to believe them. Whoever tries to deny them, disproof them or prove them is classed as a "freak" and becomes an outcast. They seem to be outside the domain of proof. Is {jinvi fo no} good enough for these? --jordi ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250