From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Dec 22 15:58:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28237 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2004 23:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2004 23:58:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2004 23:58:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1ChGN3-0002eF-Ny for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:58:21 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChGMh-0002dl-RA; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:57:59 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from web51606.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ChGMU-0002dA-9i for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:57:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 34021 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2004 23:57:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=OrISsrGUJdro/6GN4m8aJoXzqivHP+BXto7JYrpYipbBkYuOKqLA6x79MLi3/cbP4Vd7noa0zteBS/nEATAez+DRRvGZIKu74GXD0oGEuLky+eKm1TNZUeEFN35kMyGs9uTdTyxB5ua+PK4lBpiaXfK+VtnxivXS0Sji+3I7BDE= ; Message-ID: <20041222235715.34019.qmail@web51606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.57.112.53] by web51606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:57:15 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:57:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20041222190005.GE6612@skunk.reutershealth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jordimastrullenque@yahoo.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: jordi mas From: jordi mas Reply-To: jordimastrullenque@yahoo.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Founders: ja'o and ni'ikri X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23507 > I think it dates back to the days before the > krici/jinvi distinction was > clearly understood. In any event, the definition of > "krici" as believing > without evidence/proof is probably too strong: it > should be more like > believing with or without evidence/proof. I really can't see why it is probably too strong. Believing without proof is something we human beings do all the time. Not a week ago, when somebody showed me a photograph of a double sun halo they had taken during a religious festival, I was ridiculed because I expressed my belief that such phenomena are caused by the refraction and reflexion of sunlight through hexagonal prisms of ice. At the moment I did not produce any acceptable proof, so I left it at that. OTOH, hurdening oneself with proofs for each one of one's own opinions would be really too strong. --jordi ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com