From sentto-44114-23696-1106185750-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 19 17:49:52 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.35]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrRSB-0000qp-5A for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:49:43 -0800 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 01:49:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.160] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2005 01:49:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31490 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 01:49:07 -0000 Received: from [192.168.40.38] ([63.197.243.251]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0K1mv606514 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:48:58 -0700 Message-Id: To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.130.99.40 From: xah lee X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:15:40 -0800 Subject: [lojban] as it turned out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 9286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xah@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list in my exploration of logical writing around 1995 even before hearing about lojban, i've wondered what is the logistics of the semantics of the phrase "as it turned out"? for example the sentence: “as it turned out, atoms can be further broken down into ...”. As we know, it means something like "we found out..." or "we realized", but not quite just that, since it also connotes something like "the nature of the world is such that ...". But the phrase "the nature of the world is such that" is quite hard to find a concrete meaning, since it seems to me it necessarily calls for some metaphysical stance or issues. What are the lojbanists's views? (I don't have polished training in logic nor linguistics, so this question may not be well founded.) Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/