From sentto-44114-23770-1106780409-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 26 15:01:02 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.43]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ctw9e-0007zn-9h for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:00:54 -0800 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.98] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2005 23:00:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: jorne@eubot.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9597 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.240.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [70.179.101.17]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050126230005.HWYN1713.lakermmtao09.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:05 -0500 Message-ID: <41F820F3.9010800@eubot.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <20050126132740.61853.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> <20050126194142.GT20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <41F80A9A.6020106@eubot.com> <20050126213417.GL20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <6862c94d793e32d6c4fd70874e40074c@online.fr> <20050126222649.GO20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20050126222649.GO20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.30 From: Brian Eubanks X-Yahoo-Profile: eubanksb MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:03 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jorne@eubot.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > 2. Reduce each Lojban utterance into a collection of binary > (2-sumti) predicates. What I should have said was: 2. Reduce each Lojban utterance into a collection of binary (not necessarily Lojban) predicates. The reason for reducing down to binary predicates is because of the way that RDF is structured. There are frameworks (ontologies) built on top of RDF for doing more Lojban-like n-ary predicates. One that immediately comes to mind is called OWL. But it can be done even in plain vanilla RDF. There are predefined predicates _1, _2, _3, _4, _5 ..... that would work well for sumti positions. (They are essentially entries in a list.) Being able to convert Lojban to and from RDF would be a HUGE breakthrough, and would position Lojban as THE ONLY prose language for doing semantic markup. And bring a lot of new interest in Lojban from the Semantic Web crowd. Check out this new RDF-based standard called SUMO (suggested upper merged ontology), defined by the IEEE: http://suo.ieee.org/SUO/SUMO/index.html They have predefined (and unique) terms for a large number of high-level concepts (and how they are related to each other: subclass, instance, part/whole, etc). We could define how all the Lojban predicates and sumti positions are related to standard SUMO terms. In fact, it should be possible to completely define SUMO glosses for Lojban, using only RDF. Robin Lee Powell wrote: >Because "Reduce each Lojban utterance into a collection of >binary(2-sumti) predicates." would preclude that. Hence my >question. Why they're doing it that way, I don't know. > >-Robin > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/