From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Jan 01 16:38:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83516 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 00:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2005 00:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 00:38:43 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cktla-0004Hf-Nj for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:38:42 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CktlU-0004HC-Ek; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:38:36 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CktlE-0004Gv-BW for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:38:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:38:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20050102003820.GN2596@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050101004436.GF2596@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20050101152921.82632.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050101152921.82632.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-archive-position: 9142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Time duration issues. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23538 On Sat, Jan 01, 2005 at 07:29:21AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > A long-standing issue with the language has been people wanting > > to say "I spent 5 minutes walking to the market" with a sentence > > of the form "mi klama lo zarci ZI lo mentu be li mu", where VA > > is some sumtcita. > > That would be {ze'a}. Oh, yes. Sorry. > I don't think durations/extensions (ZEhA/VEhA) have been much of > an issue. You're probably thinking of displacement magnitudes > (ZI/VA). I am. > > Many of use have been using ZI, such as "mi klama le zarci zi lo > > mentu be li mu", but that apparently causes problems. I can't > > actually remember what problems it causes; can someone chime in > > on that? > > {mi klama le zarci zi lo mentu be li mu} would be "I went to the > market five minutes ago" or "I'll go to the market five minutes > from now" (assuming the reference point is the present, otherwise > "five minutes before/after X"). You would normally add {pu} or > {ba} unless it was clear which one you meant. > The problem this causes is that {vi} is not normally used this > way. {vi lo mitre be li mu} is not usually used for "a mere five > meters away", as it should be, but for "at the five meter thing", > which should really be {bu'u lo mitre be li mu}. > > See more about this here: > Umm, see yeah. That would be the solution I don't like. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/