From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Jan 25 21:52:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81984 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 05:52:44 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Ctg3a-0003MQ-6Y for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:49:34 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ctg39-0003M2-1U; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:49:07 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from genamics.blastula.net ([205.214.85.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Ctg2w-0003Lr-Mg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:48:54 -0800 Received: from [203.184.6.140] (helo=gulik.co.nz) by genamics.blastula.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Ctg2w-000890-DM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:48:55 +1300 Message-ID: <41F72F4E.3070709@gulik.co.nz> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:49:02 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <349DF1BE-6E93-11D9-9B83-000A95C58224@xahlee.org> In-Reply-To: <349DF1BE-6E93-11D9-9B83-000A95C58224@xahlee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - genamics.blastula.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gulik.co.nz X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 9343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mikevdg@gulik.co.nz X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Michael van der Gulik From: Michael van der Gulik Reply-To: mikevdg@gulik.co.nz Subject: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23724 xah lee wrote: >is there a subset of lojban that's minimal and doesn't contain things >like tanru inversions or sumti order rearrangements etc? > > Hey, that was my idea! Thief! :-). (Philosophical question: could you steal another persons idea? Is stealing only wrong because you're depriving somebody else of what you've taken?) A minimal Lojban would be good for learning Lojban. Specifically, I'm interested in writing a "Lojban for beginners" in minimal lojban, so that even non-English speakers can learn the language. It would also have a much smaller learning curve that full-blown Lojban, meaning a lower learning-curve-type-barrier-thing for prospective speakers. For a vocabulary, you could use Robin's SuperMemo lists (visit the wiki on lojban.org) and chop them off at a certain point. His lists (which I must give much merit to) are ordered by word frequencies, so the more common words start at the beginning. Michael.