From a.rosta@v21.me.uk Fri Jan 21 15:31:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67412 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 23:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2005 23:31:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk) (62.41.128.20) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 23:31:12 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([217.140.38.70]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j0LLP1S16921 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:25:01 GMT Message-ID: <003f01c50011$426b4ee0$ab370751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20050120152620.GF3649@fysh.org> <20050121150218.91951.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> <20050121190549.GA17449@fysh.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:24:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.20 From: "And Rosta" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: outer and inner quantifiers on "le" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175222075 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23683 > Jorge Llambías wrote: > >PA1 fi'u PA2 is PA1 out of every PA2 of the > >referents of "". > > a'unai. Nasty overloading. How does one override that interpretation, > to be able to express a fraction of a referent using {fi'u}? > > -zefram IMO {pi mu lei broda} should be equivalent to {(pa) fi'u re lei broda}, for nonequivalence might seem an insult to mathematics (though admittedly the existence of the mathematically suspect locution "pi ro" might imply nonequivalence -- but I would rather abolish "pi ro" as incoherent). But also IMO, {pa lei broda} would best be seen as an abbreviation of {pa fi'u ro lei broda}, "one out of all the broda". So it would follow that {pa fi'u re lei pa no no broda} should mean "one out of every two of the hundred broda", and then so should "pi mu lei pa no no broda". --And.