Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5927 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 02:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 02:01:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 02:01:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cle15-00023q-2K for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:01:47 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cle0X-0000ox-3B; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:01:13 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from web51604.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.209]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cle0G-0007s4-Nb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:00:57 -0800 Received: (qmail 23852 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 02:00:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RCXvAYdZ+fWXULRBttRuJzfyi6QP9e0n0kU1MQsk7fnBEQR7KnJEdnHcn/oz/robB2mgRS3EamOGZCM5jVJR5/M0/KtZKVLitbCrR5KU/0pE4PR+LLqsB0U2BbGPM5OoWzbs2DnUbsuTuV7QowmJjf9egPNSopHiHfNJayGNoU8= ; Message-ID: <20050104020025.23850.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.78.152.241] by web51604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:00:25 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:00:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20050104013340.41740.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-archive-position: 9158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jordimastrullenque@yahoo.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: jordi mas From: jordi mas Reply-To: jordimastrullenque@yahoo.com Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Lookup - program for Windows X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23552 Content-Length: 1880 Lines: 66 > > Now a quiz. There are seven vowel sounds in modern > > > Hindi. One of them behaves very differently > > from the other seven, from the point of view > > of the phonology of Hindi. Suppose we want to > write > > Hindi with Roman letters. Should we use a letter > > to write that vowel? Or would some punctuation > > sign make more sense? > > I don't know, do they use a special symbol > themselves? > How do the seven vowel sounds map to the five > available > vowel letters? And what is the traditional way to > write them with Roman letters? You see? There are many PRACTICAL factors to consider, besides the idealistic factor of wanting a different kind of symbol because the phoneme has a different phonotactics! You didn't say this time "A different phonetic behaviour entails necessarily the use of a different class of symbol, whether or not this compensates the problems this may cause elsewhere is another matter"! What I like about lojban is that it is developed in a mainly idealistic way. Practical considerations, "real-world usability", are often ignored. That's a good thing. Practical languages are boring, most often the solutions that work are unimaginative. (Incidentally: yes, they use a special symbol themselves but this was not caused by the special phonotactics, is mere chance, phonetic evolution just happened that way; the vowels map just fine if you use a special symbol for hiatus and awfully otherwise; and there is no traditional way to romanize, Hindi is traditionally written with the devanagari alphabet. When forced to use the Roman alphabet, as in computers, different Hindi speakers improvise different romanization) Anyway, I was kidding. No ill feelings! Regards, --jordi ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com