From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Jan 01 07:30:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33411 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 15:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2005 15:30:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 15:30:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CklDS-000322-4e for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:30:54 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CklCd-00031E-9Y; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:30:03 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CklCS-000312-7U for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:29:52 -0800 Received: (qmail 82634 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2005 15:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20050101152921.82632.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.114.197.65] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:29:21 PST Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 07:29:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20050101004436.GF2596@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-archive-position: 9138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Subject: [lojban] Re: Time duration issues. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23534 --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > A long-standing issue with the language has been people wanting to > say "I spent 5 minutes walking to the market" with a sentence of the > form "mi klama lo zarci ZI lo mentu be li mu", where VA is some > sumtcita. That would be {ze'a}. I don't think durations/extensions (ZEhA/VEhA) have been much of an issue. You're probably thinking of displacement magnitudes (ZI/VA). > Many of use have been using ZI, such as "mi klama le zarci zi lo > mentu be li mu", but that apparently causes problems. I can't > actually remember what problems it causes; can someone chime in on > that? {mi klama le zarci zi lo mentu be li mu} would be "I went to the market five minutes ago" or "I'll go to the market five minutes from now" (assuming the reference point is the present, otherwise "five minutes before/after X"). You would normally add {pu} or {ba} unless it was clear which one you meant. The problem this causes is that {vi} is not normally used this way. {vi lo mitre be li mu} is not usually used for "a mere five meters away", as it should be, but for "at the five meter thing", which should really be {bu'u lo mitre be li mu}. See more about this here: mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com