From xah@xahlee.org Wed Jan 19 17:49:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31490 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 01:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 01:49:07 -0000 Received: from [192.168.40.38] ([63.197.243.251]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0K1mv606514 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:48:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:15:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.130.99.40 From: xah lee Subject: as it turned out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139458407 X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23668 in my exploration of logical writing around 1995 even before hearing=20 about lojban, i've wondered what is the logistics of the semantics of=20 the phrase "as it turned out"? for example the sentence: =93as it turned out, atoms can be further=20 broken down into ...=94. As we know, it means something like "we found out..." or "we realized",=20 but not quite just that, since it also connotes something like "the=20 nature of the world is such that ...". But the phrase "the nature of=20 the world is such that" is quite hard to find a concrete meaning, since=20 it seems to me it necessarily calls for some metaphysical stance or=20 issues. What are the lojbanists's views? (I don't have polished training in logic nor linguistics, so this=20 question may not be well founded.) Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html