From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Jan 26 11:49:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3442 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2005 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CttAG-0003gT-Sj for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:49:20 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CttA2-0003fk-QN; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:49:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.epfl.ch ([128.178.2.14]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ctt9r-0003f4-Ux for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:48:56 -0800 Received: (qmail 16052 invoked by uid 107); 26 Jan 2005 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from mailav2.epfl.ch (128.178.50.191) by smtp1.epfl.ch with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from (128.178.50.19) by MAILAV2.EPFL.CH via smtp id 1fcd_1822564c_6fd3_11d9_92a6_00114337c797; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:47:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from imap1.epfl.ch (128.178.50.4) by smtp0.epfl.ch (AngelmatoPhylax SMTP proxy); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:23 +0100 Received: from [128.178.71.10] by imap1.epfl.ch (mshttpd); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:23 +0100 Message-ID: <2b7eeb2bb793.2bb7932b7eeb@imap.epfl.ch> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:23 +0100 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 9347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: GREGORY DYKE From: GREGORY DYKE Reply-To: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Subject: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23728 I don't think we need a kernel for Lojban (in the formal sense). More of a balance between what we would like to say and what we are willing to learn. -- e'osai ko sarji la lojban - www.lojban.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Lee Powell Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:41 pm Subject: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 05:27:39AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > > but i know there are bo and (ke, ke'i)... surely lojban isn't > > > complete without these?? > > > > ke and ke'e are very rarely used. > > I'm actually starting to use them quite often, oddly enough. > > > bo is more often used in the {i bo} or the {na'e bo} > > constructions than in tanru. In the end it's a matter of taste > > whether you think ke-ke'e, bo or co is more essential for lojban. > > I wouldn't include bo and ke-ke'e in my minimal lojban, but that's > > just my point of view. > > If a minimal Lojban includes tanru, you *must* have one or the > other, or you lose expressive power. As it seems to me that the > goas here is to produce a Kernel Language for Lojban (that is, the > most minimal set of Lojban from which all the rest of Lojban can be > described as just shortcuts), you don't want to lose expressive > power. > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > >