From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jan 20 04:57:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53467 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2005 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Crbsn-0000XG-FC for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:57:53 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrbsJ-0000Wi-U7; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:57:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from fysh.org ([83.170.75.51] helo=bowl.fysh.org ident=mail) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Crbs1-0000WT-Av for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:57:05 -0800 Received: from zefram by bowl.fysh.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Crbry-0007ol-00 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:57:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:57:02 +0000 Message-ID: <20050120125702.GC3649@fysh.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-archive-position: 9288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zefram@fysh.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Zefram From: Zefram Reply-To: zefram@fysh.org Subject: [lojban] Re: as it turned out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23670 xah lee wrote: > >As we know, it means something like "we found out..." or "we realized", >but not quite just that, since it also connotes something like "the >nature of the world is such that ...". But the phrase "the nature of >the world is such that" is quite hard to find a concrete meaning, since >it seems to me it necessarily calls for some metaphysical stance or >issues. "the nature of the world is such that X" means exactly the same thing as "X". -zefram