From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Jan 13 07:58:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27872 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 15:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2005 15:58:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 15:58:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp7GO-0001Zy-Iw for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:51:56 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp7Fw-0001ZN-A8; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:51:28 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from fysh.org ([83.170.75.51] helo=bowl.fysh.org ident=mail) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp7Fk-0001ZE-CB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:51:16 -0800 Received: from zefram by bowl.fysh.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cp7Ff-00056V-00 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:51:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:51:11 +0000 Message-ID: <20050113155111.GA31005@fysh.org> References: <737b61f305011121232b29e043@mail.gmail.com> <20050112122014.42747.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050112122014.42747.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-archive-position: 9251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zefram@fysh.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Zefram From: Zefram Reply-To: zefram@fysh.org Subject: [lojban] Re: pronunciation with cmavo and brivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23637 Jorge Llambías wrote: >Maybe something like {RE. SPAti} would have been a better example. >It is not clear whether {RESPAti} should break as {re spati} >or as {respa ti}, as in both cases the brivla has a stressed >penultimate syllable. It *is* clear, because /RESPA/ is not a valid pronunciation of {respa}. All non-penultimate syllables in a brivla must be unstressed. The ambiguity occurs with, for example, /LOkreBUKpu/, which could be divided into words as either {lo krebukpu} or {lokre bukpu}. -zefram