From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sun Jan 30 10:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 736 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 18:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 18:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 18:04:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CvJQX-0003mN-1C for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:04:01 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CvJPy-0003lu-IZ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:03:26 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:03:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CvJPn-0003lD-7H for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:03:15 -0800 Received: (qmail 27602 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2005 18:02:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20050130180244.27600.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.114.197.65] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:02:44 PST Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20050126194142.GT20235@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Subject: [lojban] Re: minimal lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23755 --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 05:27:39AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > I wouldn't include bo and ke-ke'e in my minimal lojban, but that's > > just my point of view. > > If a minimal Lojban includes tanru, you *must* have one or the > other, or you lose expressive power. {bo} by itself won't cover all cases. For example, there is no way to do {broda ke brode brodi brodo} with {bo} only. Probably the choice is between ke/ke'e and bo/co. As it seems to me that the > goas here is to produce a Kernel Language for Lojban (that is, the > most minimal set of Lojban from which all the rest of Lojban can be > described as just shortcuts), you don't want to lose expressive > power. If that's the goal, I would need to add GA, GI, ZOhU and several other things to my list. Also, some constructions, such as those that mix logical connectives with tag connectives, seem to be irreducible to anything simpler. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com