From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sun Jan 23 05:44:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73489 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 13:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2005 13:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 13:44:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Csi2O-0004h4-0O for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:44:20 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Csi1r-0004gZ-Dx; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:43:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41901.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.152]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Csi1d-0004fy-6P for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:43:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 99214 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 13:43:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20050123134301.99212.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.40.189.10] by web41901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:43:01 PST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:43:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002e01c500df$b97840a0$0c3b0751@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Subject: [lojban] Re: outer and inner quantifiers on "le" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23701 --- And: > Anyway, the half-an-apple reading has some strange consequences: > > pi mu (lo) plise cu se citka > = pi mu da poi plise cu se citka > = pi mu da ge plise gi se citka > = "Half something is an apple and is eaten" > > Now *that* looks like gobbledygook! Yes, but it is still almost gobbledygook under the other interpretation: "one out of every two things is both an apple and is eaten". The move from restricted to unrestricted quantificaton for fractional quantifiers, under any interpretation, won't work like for regular quantifiers. > Likewise, if {mi citka pi mu plise}, is the cardinality of {lo'i se citka > plise} 0.5? Hardly. That doesn't bother me so much, it is a reasonable extension of the idea of cardinality. It seems to me that any convention we adopt will have its unintuitive side, so it's just a question of what is more useful. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250