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Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:20:12 -0800 (PST)
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From: jordi mas <lojban-out@lojban.org>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: some thoughts about lojban use and future
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> Further, as appliances taking spoken commands from
> people in the near 
> future, it would probably be a subset of spoken
> phrases. So, it makes 
> no difference of using lojban or English. (and of
> course we are 
> discoursing imagined scenarios, because in reality
> no manufacture would 
> ever implement lojban)

Does the "ever" refer to years, decades, or centuries?
 Gutenberg would have said "in reality no one would
ever want to print anything but Bibles".
 
> I don't think lojban will befit as a language for
> human communication. 
> Suppose if we have a region to speak lojban from now
> on, and lojban 
> being the first language of all newborns. I believe
> in a few 
> generations lojban will quickly loss all its design
> premises of 
> regularity and mathematical properties. This i
> believe because humans 
> do not process information as a logical machine,
> even if all their 
> thoughts are in a logical language.

If you leave all language evolution to natural
evolution, yes. But in fact if you have enough power 
to do that to them, you are also powerful enough to
educate them into a culture in which breaking THE HOLY
RULES when speaking is a capital sin. Or, at least,
when speaking in formal situations.

I do believe that humans process informations as
logical machines. Yesterday I read somebody posting a
list of cosmetics companies and asking the readers 
to boycott them because they test their product with
animals. Of course she has seen on some website some
photo of a blind puppy, with some talk about "soulless
scientists", and that has triggered her emotional
reactions. This is logical. She thinks "what can I do
about it", and proselitizing looks like a logical
course of action. She eats burgers without problems of
conscience because she has not seen how did the cow
live. She takes pills when her head hurts because she
does not know that all medicines have been
animal-tested. If you knew everything about her, you
would see that she behaves completely following he
rules of her logic. I call that a logical machine. I
am a logical machine too, but some of my rules are
different from hers.

mu'o mi'e jordis


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