From sentto-44114-23902-1108864002-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Feb 19 17:47:22 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.45]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D2gBl-0003vj-C3 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:47:13 -0800 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 01:46:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2005 01:46:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4173 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2005 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2005 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2005 01:46:41 -0000 Received: from [192.168.40.35] ([63.197.243.251]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j1K1keF03117 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:46:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6efc4677397176bc150e3f5799e54043@xahlee.org> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.130.99.40 From: xah lee X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:12:46 -0800 Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban official reference licensing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xah@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list The current license is really juvenile and unworkable. No publication or scholar is going to have his work in every sentence saying what has been modified from original. the mentality of the current license is great, where one can try to preserve a lojban standard yet have a good heart to let others do derivative work. The license itself however prevents any derived work other than students and personal notes of the blog class. i and other people would have made derivative works out of it, if not for the license. Sure, i can seek the official lojban group members and make arrangements or change the license, but that is besides the point and another step extra. Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html On Feb 3, 2005, at 6:33 AM, Xah Lee wrote: i'm interested in mirroring the official lojban reference http://lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter1.html then gradually edit it into to my needs as i read it. (so as to generate a tutorial from different perspective) The licensing has this clause: Permission is granted to copy and distribute modified versions of this book, provided that the modifications are clearly marked as such, and provided that the entire resulting derived work is distributed under the terms of a permission notice identical to this one. this requirement for marking modified places is a bit impractical to follow. Is it possible to change this? Perhaps replacing it with something like a clear notification that this is a modified version? thanks. Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease? Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts! http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/