From sentto-44114-23931-1109346903-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Feb 25 07:56:27 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.35]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D4hp7-00083u-F1 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 07:56:16 -0800 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 15:55:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.29] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2005 15:55:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: mattarn@123.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80403 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 15:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2005 15:55:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mole.e-mol.com) (65.169.135.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 15:55:02 -0000 Received: from mail.123.net (new.e-mol.com [65.163.85.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j1PFsoTd022480 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:54:51 -0500 Message-Id: <200502251554.j1PFsoTd022480@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <537d06d0050225071795a9fe0@mail.gmail.com> References: <1109343176.5226.15795.w127@yahoogroups.com> <537d06d0050225071795a9fe0@mail.gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: e-mol.com, e-mail online X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.169.135.18 From: Matt Arnold X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] X-Yahoo-Profile: nemorathwald MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:54:50 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: New file uploaded to lojban Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 9530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list The publications of LLG have been wonderful and very well-done. But it deserves better desktop publishing and illustration than it has received. I would be very pleased to volunteer my time, talent and software. I've posted a nineteen-page sample PDF to the files section. I would especially direct the attention of the group to the last example on page 19 {ta [cu] tavla be do be le melbi [ku] [be'o] vecnu} to see the way the diagram tables can nest. I was only beginning to learn Lojban two years ago when I made this document, and it helped my understanding greatly to draw out the diagram. As you see, selbri cells have a black border, sumti cells have a white border. I gave place marker cmavo a slash through the cell. Question cmavo were given an x. Negation cmavo are white letters on a black cell. Someone with a more sophisticated understanding of the grammer could probably suggest a lot of improvements to the illustration. .filip., I could change the apostrophes, if it's useful to do so. It would take a lot of work but legibility and good typography was what this effort was all about. -epkat philip.newton@gmail.com wrote: >On 25 Feb 2005 14:52:56 -0000, lojban@yahoogroups.com > wrote: >> >> This email message is a notification to let you know that >> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the lojban >> group. >> >> File : /lojban guide.pdf >> Uploaded by : nemorathwald >> Description : Lojban Reference Grammar, pgs 1-19 > >Interesting. > >For me, the use of "smart" apostrophe for the Lojban apostrophe looks >a bit strange, though, and would take getting used to; I'm used to >seeing a straight line (not necessarily vertical) rather than a "9" >shape. > >mu'o mi'e .filip. >-- >Philip Newton _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/EA3HyD/3MnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/