From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Feb 17 11:13:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81585 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 19:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2005 19:13:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 19:13:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1D1r5G-0005lP-Tm for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:13:06 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D1r4L-0005kK-Ai; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:12:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1D1r49-0005k8-Oe for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:11:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:11:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20050217191157.GC11349@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-archive-position: 9490 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: topicality X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23859 On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 08:01:23AM -0500, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 2005-02-17 5:21:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lojbab via ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > > > All places of a predicate are equal. > > How then is topicality determined? In many languages topicality > decreases as one continues speaking a sentence, i.e., it's greater > at the beginning of the sentence and decreases toward the end. > This scheme would work well, I think, for Lojban, too, since it's > easy to alter the place structure. That's certainly how I use it. Howevery, it's orthogonal to the point: lo botpi be fo zi'o is not a botpi, because all places are equal. It's something else. lo julne be fi zi'o is not a julne, and so on. Similarily, defining a brivla without defining a place structure is meaningless. -robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/