From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Feb 01 08:53:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98482 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2005 16:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2005 16:53:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2005 16:53:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw1At-0002Rx-VQ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:46:48 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw1AH-0002RK-2P; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:46:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81308.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.83]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cw1A5-0002R2-Im for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:45:57 -0800 Message-ID: <20050201164525.56940.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.49.128] by web81308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:45:25 PST Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 08:45:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Minimal Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23772 MIssent: >Insofar as Lojban is a language based on logic, the strict minimum >would be brivla, PA, KOhA, and I JA (or the corresponding Polish >notation). To this we might add -- stressing the "language" part -- >some tense and modal operators, question words, {ko}, and attitudinals >(indluding perhaps discursives and the like -- but this is getting >away from vasic rather rapidly). Along another line, adding LA and >cmene and maybe LE also has logical precedence. Then the devices for >grouping tanru, which, while theoretically eliminable, are almost >never practically so. >Then the abstractions and after that BAI and the like. The assumption >is that everything after the first part can in theory be dealt with in >the most basic format (assuming that the brivla list is suitably >complete -- an untested claim). The reduction is also largely >untested and is probably false for any interesting sense. There is >also, of course, an urLojban, the lowest level of linguistic analysis >at the sentence level, the "source" of both sentence construction and >semantic analysis, but that is unspeakable -- though the ideal in >Lojban is (theoretically again) to make the surface structure as as >near as speakingly possible to it.