From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Feb 13 05:31:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42388 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2005 13:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2005 13:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2005 13:31:05 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1D0Jq3-0003UR-M9 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:31:03 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0JpH-0003Tm-TF; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:30:16 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from phma.hn.org ([216.189.113.165] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0Jok-0003T9-Cl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:29:42 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3184C6126; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:29:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502130829.09923.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 9461 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Archivist: Counterexamples to general fu'ivla lujvo making X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23833 The Book says: "Many attempts were made to add general mechanisms for making lujvo that contained fu'ivla, but all failed on obvious or obscure counterexamples; finally the general ``zei'' mechanism was devised instead." Xorxes has come up with a morphology that purports to make lujvo from all fu'ivla and even cmene. Can someone dig up the counterexamples? phma -- A man found gold and left a rope; but he who found No gold he left did tie the rope around.