From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Feb 21 08:42:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80273 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2005 16:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2005 16:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2005 16:42:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1D3Gdv-0003DA-9y for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:42:43 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D3GdC-0003Ca-SG; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:58 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from web81305.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.80]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D3Gd1-0003C8-AD for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:47 -0800 Message-ID: <20050221164116.50682.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.50.222] by web81305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:16 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:41:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 9508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: blast from the past X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23875 Totally off the controversy. The post-1975 growth of Loglan brought in at least a dozen people who were drawn by the Heinlein. They by and large did not go looking for Loglan because of the reference (and they wouldn't have found it if they had) but responded to the announcement when it came because they remembered the Heinlein. This was a larger group than (or maybe just the same size as) the group who were following up on the 1960 SA article (in spite of the fact that the announcement was primarily in SA). Unlike Esperanto, almost none of the early new Loglanists were word-of--mounth. --- MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 2005-02-20 5:21:35 AM > Eastern Standard Time, > ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes: > > > > From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:11:51 EST > > Subject: [lojban] promoting a conlang > > > > > Does anyone with a foot in the Esperanto > camp know how successful Harry > > > Harrison's "Stainless Steel Rat" books were > for promoting Esperanto use? > > > > > i don't know the answer to your question, but > i'll bet it was practically > > nil. i have the esperanto version of the > first book, unread because i > > didn't > > enjoy the story in english. > > loglan was mentioned in robert a. heinlein's > "the moon is a harsh mistress", > > and i don't think loglan profited much from > the reference. i know that when > > i > > first read the book, i assumed it was a > fictitious language that heinlein > > made up himself. it was only after i became > aware of loglan on my own that > > i > > found references to the story and reread the > book. > > > > stevo > > > > Who resent this and why? > stevo >