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Subject: [lojban] Re: [Archivist] muvdu vs. sezmuvgau
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:06:41PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> 
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > I get the impression from the definition of muvdu (in
> > particular, the claim that its x1 is an object) that it can't be
> > used for "I move to the back of the room".
> 
> I'm not sure why not.  Lojban definitions aren't always
> politically correct, and a person can be an object %^)

Ah, see, in my English that's not really the case.

> > but I just want to check: can muvdu be used for agentive
> > movement?
> 
> The gismu list gives muvgau and muvzu'e for agentive move.

Which is sort of my point: the presence of those compounds implies
that "mi muvdu lo vorme" for "I move to the door" is wrong, because
it's an agentive sentence but the presences of those compounds
implies that muvdu is not agentive.

-Robin

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