From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 30 07:38:15 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DGfGb-0005i4-At for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:38:01 -0800 Received: from n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.40]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DGfGP-0005hK-T0 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:38:01 -0800 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 15:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 15:37:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24412 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 15:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 15:37:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 15:37:14 -0000 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id r.193.3c9f5cc4 (25098) for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:33:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <193.3c9f5cc4.2f7c20b4@wmconnect.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 52 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbaner MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:33:08 EST Subject: [lojban] zo'e Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_193.3c9f5cc4.2f7c20b4_boundary" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 9714 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_193.3c9f5cc4.2f7c20b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2005 9:35:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, opi_lauma" < opi_lauma@yahoo.com via lojban@yahoogroups.com writes: > What is not clear for me is by what speaker need to replace sumti if > it is unknown by speaker and listener want to know what is sumti. For > example if I say: > > Somebody bought our car. > > I means that I do not know who did it. > Not necessarily. That is one of the possible meanings. Another possible meaning is that I do know who it was, but I don't want to say. Maybe it's a secret; maybe I just promised not to tell; maybe it's a surprise; etc. If someone uses "zo'e" in a statement, and you want to know what it stands for, just ask. Since the "zo'e" fills a particular argument slot of the brivla, just fill that slot with "ma". stevo --part1_193.3c9f5cc4.2f7c20b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2005 9:35:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, opi_lauma" <opi_lauma@yahoo.com via lojban@yahoogroups.com writes:


What is not clear for me is by what speaker need to replace sumti if
it is unknown by speaker and listener want to know what is sumti. For
example if I say:

Somebody bought our car.

I means that I do not know who did it.


Not necessarily.  That is one of the possible meanings.  Another possible meaning is that I do know who it was, but I don't want to say.  Maybe it's a secret; maybe I just promised not to tell; maybe it's a surprise; etc.

If someone uses "zo'e" in a statement, and you want to know what it stands for, just ask.  Since the "zo'e" fills a particular argument slot of the brivla, just fill that slot with "ma".

stevo


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