From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 31 08:14:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DH2JE-0003V3-W5 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:14:17 -0800 Received: from n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.35]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DH2JC-0003UC-SA for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:14:16 -0800 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 16:13:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.35] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 16:13:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: ignat99@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69888 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 16:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 16:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.193) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 16:13:37 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so597995wra for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:13:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jhPVdKbqynsABLKzjWGyf7+y1NXd88gAeXfzwofsRlRmetsxod7B+eok5m+fjrCyL8AfMNi9PZ5gCKjfjyYIUyCg1cRzhyXgU3wWBZXhXBYO7zDFbBPjz+8vsfcPSNB3M6eIcSY9nMEQP6tI6kjKrsCx9rAtR0lLPzwmJ4SeP8o= Received: by 10.54.45.12 with SMTP id s12mr1857395wrs; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.6.71 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:13:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <4c4e58c10503300651201dda8d@mail.gmail.com> <20050331003643.GI14109@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20050331022441.GA5950@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <12d58c1605033107085b219813@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 64.233.184.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: ignat 99 X-Yahoo-Profile: ignat999 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:13:33 +0900 Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ignat99@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi rodo Etruscans <-> eto_rus_(lo rusko ku) <-> rysich (name of old rus) ch <-> (ch .tcriyviys. bu tcys. bu) This letter and sound is absent in Lojban Take the good alphabet: http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/DBLM/olcourse/sanskrit/s-alpha-1.htm or http://www.lojban.org/en/publications/reference_grammar/chapter17.html#s17 + old letterals :-)) ki'e ignat On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:08:10 -0500, Adam COOPER wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:01:46 +0900, ignat 99 wrote: > > coi rodo > > But Old Russian alphabet has 44 letters and new has 33. > > But in the American alphabet only 24 letters. It is still less in > > lojban. It means one Russian letter necessary to transfer by several > > American. But more rational it would be make vice versa. As the base > > to take the Russian alphabet, but not American alphabet. > > > > But now, for the transfer of one letter in lojban, I must use 4-5 letters? > > AFAIK The focus of the Loglan/Lojban project was primarily meaning: > one ought to be able to express any concept in Lojban. Phonologically, > it makes sense to *minimize* the number of phonemes in the language, > in order to maximize pronounceability of the language for all people. > > If you want to translate an Old Russian text for international > understanding, Lojban is a good choice. If you want to *transliterate* > an Old Russian text for international pronunciation, a good bet is > IPA. > > By the way, Evgeny is right. It's not the American alphabet. The > Americans got it from the British, who got it from the Romans, who got > it from the Etruscans, who got it (I think) from the Phoenicians in > about 600 BC or so. Sorry -- BCE. > > mu'o mi'e .adam. > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/EA3HyD/3MnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/