From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Mar 14 08:41:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6892 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2005 16:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2005 16:41:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2005 16:41:28 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DAsdD-000636-FJ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:27 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DAscs-00062U-Dk; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:12 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DAscg-00062G-SP for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:40:54 -0800 Received: from web81302.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.77]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DAscd-00061t-Ut for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20050314164020.85020.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:40:20 PST Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:40:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Masters Thesis Project X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23942 That is it indeed (I see I misspelled it, aUI it should be). It seems to have come a long way in support since the days when little was known about it outside of Iowa (I wrote a Loglan paper about it while I was hibernating in Iowa City about 1980 -- never published). It is an a priori language in the fine old tradition of Sir Thomas Urqhart and Rabelais inter alia, though more pronounceable than theirs. Most Lojban gismu translate (if at all -- I never worked some out and that was for Loglan) to about seven syllables as I recall. --- Jocelyn Paine wrote: > > I've come across some meaning representations > built around semantic > primes, but not AUI. What is it? Would it be > the a-priori language > described at http://home.pacifier.com/~patten/ > ? > > Cheers, > > Jocelyn Paine > http://www.j-paine.org > +44 (0)7768 534 091 > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, John E Clifford wrote: > > > This sounds like an interesting project and I > am > > glad you think that Lojban may help. But you > > should note early on that Lojban gismu are > not > > meant to be semantic primes but rather higher > > nodes in a web that will be more useful for > > forming compounds (primes make for very long > > compounds -- check out AUI). Notice, by way > of > > making the point, the current discussion > about > > {pilka} and {skapi}, which probably share > some > > primes and yet are clearly different and are > both > > gismu. Taking gismu as fixed points, your > web > > will have to go down as well as up to fit > other > > concepts in, if that is the overall scheme > you > > are following (I don't keep up, so my ideas > are > > very 1970's -- roughly old stone age, I > suspect). > > > > --- Brandon Wirick > wrote: > > > coi rodo > > > > > > My name is Brandon Wirick, and I discovered > > > Lojban a few weeks ago. I > > > had been wanting to find or create a > logical > > > language for about ten > > > years, so I natually think Lojban is just > about > > > the best thing ever. I > > > intend to become fluent. > > > > > > I am finishing up my masters at California > > > Polytechnic State University, > > > and since I have found Lojban, I decided > that I > > > would like to > > > incorporate it into the work I am doing for > my > > > thesis. I am working with > > > the XML-based ontology description language > > > OWL, which is primarily used > > > to describe concepts and their > relationships on > > > the web. As far as I can > > > tell, no one has yet created an ontology > for > > > Lojban terms, so I would > > > like to create one and promote it as a > standard > > > for concept > > > representation on the web. Gismu and lujvo > > > would provide a rich base for > > > the ontology, but users everywhere could > extend > > > it with words from any > > > language. This could not only help the > > > Lojbangirz gain some recognition, > > > but the Semantic Web effort as well. > > > > > > I'm looking for people who would be able to > > > help me get this project off > > > the ground. I'm good with XML and OWL, but > not > > > familiar with the > > > intricacies of Lojban. I have a working > > > prototype ontology that I can > > > demonstrate to anyone who is interested. > > > > > > ki'e > > > > > > Brandon Wirick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > click here > > [rand=368669731] > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an > email to: > > lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! 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