From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 17 16:47:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19642 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DC5e6-0000hG-55 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:47:22 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DC5dr-0000go-Ml; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:47:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DC5df-0000gQ-Kx for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:46:55 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DC5df-0000gJ-Ix for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:46:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:46:55 -0800 Message-ID: <20050318004655.GF26000@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20050315013714.GG14473@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <42365F51.6070804@lojban.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42365F51.6070804@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-archive-position: 9597 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [Archivist] muvdu vs. sezmuvgau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23959 On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 11:06:41PM -0500, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I get the impression from the definition of muvdu (in > > particular, the claim that its x1 is an object) that it can't be > > used for "I move to the back of the room". > > I'm not sure why not. Lojban definitions aren't always > politically correct, and a person can be an object %^) Ah, see, in my English that's not really the case. > > but I just want to check: can muvdu be used for agentive > > movement? > > The gismu list gives muvgau and muvzu'e for agentive move. Which is sort of my point: the presence of those compounds implies that "mi muvdu lo vorme" for "I move to the door" is wrong, because it's an agentive sentence but the presences of those compounds implies that muvdu is not agentive. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/