From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Mar 30 06:22:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21690 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 14:22:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DGe5s-00044U-Ux for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:22:53 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DGe5U-00043k-Cm; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:22:36 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DGe52-00043I-OF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:22:01 -0800 Received: from web81306.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DGe4u-00042b-Mp for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:22:00 -0800 Message-ID: <20050330142122.52849.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:21:22 PST Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:21:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9709 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24064 Someplace there are lsits of correspondences for Lojban and most major writing systems, certainly for Cyrillic (I'm not sure about Glagolithic) including the variants for languages other than Russian, but also Greek, Devanagari, Hebrew and Arabic and -- God help us! -- Elvish. The Lojban alphabet is only formally American (that is basic Latin), in content it is probably unique (or closer to Esperanto) given the rather unamerican meanings of /c/, /j/, /y/ and /x/. As for the whole project being Americanized, well, it has been American from the get-go but has systematically tried to get away from that. What will complete that move to a more international base is exactly having people like you -- not at all American -- parrticiapte actively. And call us out if we slide too far back into out cultural roots. --- ignat 99 wrote: > > Thanks for the attention, > > I count, that it would be a good thing to have > the capability in to > write "fu'ivla" with the use arbitrary > alphabets. A as then it will > read programs to those written on others to > languages. For example > French programs on Lisp. > > In the use only of American alphabet I perceive > discrimination. For > example I consider Ancient-Slavic and Ukrainian > alphabets highly > developed than American. > > I see the possibility at any moment to > Americanize lojban. I see the > desire of American personas to make this, > IMHO. > > What is guarantees that this not to happen? > > > ki'e > ignat > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Has someone you know been affected by illness > or disease? > Network for Good is THE place to support health > awareness efforts! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/RzSHvD/UOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to > lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >