From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Mar 12 00:00:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61218 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2005 08:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2005 08:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao06.cox.net) (68.230.240.33) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 08:00:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [24.250.99.39]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050312080021.VYKI21504.lakermmtao06.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]>; Sat, 12 Mar 2005 03:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4232A10D.7010101@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:58:05 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <20050312005124.GU16527@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20050312005124.GU16527@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 68.230.240.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Bob LeChevalier Subject: Re: [lojban] [Archivists] skapi vs. pilka? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23929 Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Mail between xorxes: >>I think this is pilka more than skapi. >>skapi is the material, it is the pilka once >>it has been removed from the animal. > > > and I: > > >>I disagree. skapi need not have been removed, and pilka includes >>fruit rinds and so on. I'm going to ask the archivists about >>this. > > > I hereby invoke the supplicatory model. There was indeed overlap between the two words. pilka is the more general term as an outer protective covering (not sure whether it would extend to include a snail shell, but I wouldn't rule it out). It is probably still pilka if you peel the rind off a fruit or skin an animal, but I could understand if someone picky wanted to call it ba'o pilka. skapi is specifically limited to the organ/material from an animal source and was distinguished as a separate word for use in compounds pertaining to fabric/clothing materials and such like after removal from the source, but it doesn't rule out the animal still wearing its skin. But a human wearing only lo skapi is not by implication naked, whereas if he were wearing only lo pilka, that is what I would assume. A cow on the other hand could be wearing either with varying connotations. lojbab