From xah@xahlee.org Fri Mar 18 04:54:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68198 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 12:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 12:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO xahlee.org) (206.130.99.40) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 12:54:57 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-169-125-84.client.comcast.net [67.169.125.84]) (authenticated) by xahlee.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j2ICrwf24067 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:53:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <44275d07f070dd249c78acf2c8fd2536@xahlee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:49:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Originating-IP: 206.130.99.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: xah lee Subject: lojban ills: implicit emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139458407 X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23962 while studying lojban, i find it less and less of my rather ignorant original expectations. (however, i still find studying it greatly fruitful and has useful applications) anyway, here's one snippet of reasons that just came to me, and i thought i'd just throw it out to the open. For example, one can use different ordering to say the same thing but with different emphasis, e.g. do vecnu ta mi ta se vecnu do mi means the same thing but with different emphasis. Now, lojban claims to be isomorphic this or that or logic and explicit semantic this or that, but here there is a implicit meaning attached to emphasis. As a manner of speaking, we may ask, why didn't lojban provide some mechanism to indicate emphasis, instead of using the rather implicit and undefined emphasis attached to ordering? Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html