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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Monday 07 March 2005 11:26, Adam COOPER wrote: > [Cross posted to lojban list and lojban beginners list] > > The first (introductory) section of the proposed Wikipedia entry for > the History of the English Language follows, along with a list of > lujvo, fu'ivla & technical tanru. Red pens out! ki'e rodo .i mu'o mi'e > .adam. > *** > ni'o ni'o ni'o lo citri be lo glibau [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-archive-position: 9547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Monday 07 March 2005 11:26, Adam COOPER wrote: > [Cross posted to lojban list and lojban beginners list] > > The first (introductory) section of the proposed Wikipedia entry for > the History of the English Language follows, along with a list of > lujvo, fu'ivla & technical tanru. Red pens out! ki'e rodo .i mu'o mi'e > .adam. > *** > ni'o ni'o ni'o lo citri be lo glibau [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: lo citri be lo glibau X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23913 On Monday 07 March 2005 11:26, Adam COOPER wrote: > [Cross posted to lojban list and lojban beginners list] > > The first (introductory) section of the proposed Wikipedia entry for > the History of the English Language follows, along with a list of > lujvo, fu'ivla & technical tanru. Red pens out! ki'e rodo .i mu'o mi'e > .adam. > *** > ni'o ni'o ni'o lo citri be lo glibau I'd just say {ni'oni'oni'o citri lo glibau}. Lojban is a verb language, while English is a noun language. > ni'o ni'o no mo'o lo glibau goi ko'a cu se lanzu loi xinjevro'o bangu > .i su'anai ko'a joi lo do'orbau ku joi lo bangrnederlanda ku joi lo > bangrfrizi ku joi lo drata poi bangu cu klesi loi sicydo'o bangu poi > klesi loi dotco bangu poi se lanzu loi xinjevro'o bangu .i ku'i so'i > lo ze'e nunvlafu'i pu se jalge lo du'u pi xa lo cabna rolvla pu farvi > fi lo valsi be fi lo la'orbau .i loi tadni cu na'o fendi lo ko'a citri > lo'i vo pagbu no'u lo tcesau glibau ku ce'o lo midju glibau ku ce'o lo > lidne cabna glibau ku ce'o lo cabna glibau > *** > Lujvo, fu'ivla & technical tanru > xinjevro'o Indo-European The article is at [[xinjoiropno bangu]] (I wasn't thinking of the shortest form when I wrote it; feel free to move it). {xinjevro'o bangu} is true of European Gypsy, English dialects spoken in India, and not much else. > bangrnederlanda Dutch > bangrfrizi Frisian > sicydo'o West Germanic > nunvlafu'i word borrowing > rolvla word stock, vocabulary > la'orbau Latin > tcesau glibau Old English {tolci'o} (or {laldo} which is a Loglan word) is better for "old" in this sense. {slabu} means "old" as in "He's an old friend of mine; I've known him since he was a little kid". > midju glibau Middle English > [lidne] cabna glibau [Early] Modern English ki'e do do ci'arfi'i mu'o mi'e pier. -- GCS/M d- s-: a+ C++ UL++++$ P+ L+++ E- W+++ N+ o? 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