From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Mar 18 05:48:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24819 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2005 13:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2005 13:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 13:48:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DCHpm-0006Kb-Q5 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:48:14 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DCHp2-0006Jm-O8; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:47:41 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DCHoi-0006JX-W2 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:47:09 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DCHoc-0006J3-Ur for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:47:08 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so180134wri for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:46:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LFQKNmz63Cv04mgbZBne0IaXnn/a+AeeMMkpfpmg51vCxj+Uim7J44cXXmoS2Vu5UgVbAeEAJQrVPmTplbQ8gl9CbfeFdIr2kjni8VMx3jP3G6HgVTKju05adV9wkU5dweFXZFLxFhCMOIFm3B1nJd9ZXZLzdba034KEnTnYB2Q= Received: by 10.54.78.16 with SMTP id a16mr871274wrb; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:46:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d175605031805462090c052@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:46:17 -0300 In-Reply-To: <44275d07f070dd249c78acf2c8fd2536@xahlee.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <44275d07f070dd249c78acf2c8fd2536@xahlee.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9603 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= Reply-To: jjllambias@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: lojban ills: implicit emphasis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23965 On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:49:53 -0800, xah lee wrote: > As a manner of speaking, we may ask, why didn't lojban > provide some mechanism to indicate emphasis, instead of using the > rather implicit and undefined emphasis attached to ordering? The emphasis attached to ordering is not really very well defined. We assume that a more marked ordering might indicate something, but there aren't any rules really. To unequivocally indicate emphasis, there is the cmavo {ba'e}, which emphasizes the following word. In addition to emphasis, you can make an argument the topic of a sentence by placing it in the prenex, and you can put focus on a part of the sentence by marking it with an attitudinal. mu'o mi'e xorxes