From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Mar 31 07:13:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73688 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 15:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 15:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 15:13:19 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DH1JB-0002HX-Kl for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:10:09 -0800 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DH1I4-0002GG-Pb; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:09:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DH1Hp-0002G7-Ib for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:45 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DH1Hm-0002Fl-FG for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:45 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so650701wri for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pYd6F9+ZN6rfr+rnC2DoQ5w//0anzNvyrMhcHYNIyKxFuC8n5cOMvAop1mMvcnEmWJVzK7t/XKi/HKxB9HlaoaA0jDbXa8PmD0aqUP7qDiGF6MINYayQm8GUlW84ZnoeDUrL9tShToz1h1yKlzV0bHkqM+/XzXDw0AYI+6JBwuY= Received: by 10.54.13.36 with SMTP id 36mr426770wrm; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.35.76 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:08:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12d58c1605033107085b219813@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:08:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <4c4e58c10503300651201dda8d@mail.gmail.com> <20050331003643.GI14109@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20050331022441.GA5950@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 9732 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Adam COOPER From: Adam COOPER Reply-To: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: fu'ivla X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24088 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:01:46 +0900, ignat 99 wrote: > coi rodo > But Old Russian alphabet has 44 letters and new has 33. > But in the American alphabet only 24 letters. It is still less in > lojban. It means one Russian letter necessary to transfer by several > American. But more rational it would be make vice versa. As the base > to take the Russian alphabet, but not American alphabet. > > But now, for the transfer of one letter in lojban, I must use 4-5 letters? AFAIK The focus of the Loglan/Lojban project was primarily meaning: one ought to be able to express any concept in Lojban. Phonologically, it makes sense to *minimize* the number of phonemes in the language, in order to maximize pronounceability of the language for all people. If you want to translate an Old Russian text for international understanding, Lojban is a good choice. If you want to *transliterate* an Old Russian text for international pronunciation, a good bet is IPA. By the way, Evgeny is right. It's not the American alphabet. The Americans got it from the British, who got it from the Romans, who got it from the Etruscans, who got it (I think) from the Phoenicians in about 600 BC or so. Sorry -- BCE. mu'o mi'e .adam.