From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Apr 15 14:31:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DMYP8-0004ML-Rl for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:10 -0700 Received: from web81301.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.76]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DMYP6-0004LT-AX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20050415213036.34191.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:30:36 PDT Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: {zdile} mi na nelci zo bai To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9848 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > Robin: > >> mi na nelci zo bai >> mi cu nelci zo mai >> .e zo nai .e zo doi .e zo cai >> >> ku'i le rempai >> poi finti zo bai >> .e zo cau .e zo mau .e zo rai >> >> se catra mi .ai >> te va'u je kai >> lo ka mi ba tcetce gleki sai >> >> "it's also the only one I've seen that >>maintains rhyme >> and meter throughout" > > 3- it doesn't exactly maintain rhyme and meter. > Syllable > counts are 6-6-9 5-5-9 5-5-9, and do you want > to stress > "ZO doi E zo CAI" to match "TCEtce GLEki SAI"? > A previous go-round on Lojban poetry suggested (and argued convincingly for) that Lojban meter was a matter of *stressed* syllables per line, the unstressed ones being permitted to run to (almost, I suppose) any length. By that standard we have (assuming words after {zo} are stressed) 2-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-0-2. I assume there are some further stress rules that bring this more into line, but it is still not quite on.