From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Apr 28 06:29:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75934 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2005 13:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2005 13:29:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2005 13:29:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DR95P-0005Ir-0S for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:29:47 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DR94l-0005IH-0i; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:29:09 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DR94X-0005I0-GU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:28:53 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DR94M-0005Hl-9e for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <20050428132810.46531.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:28:10 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:28:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9882 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: "zo'e" for selbri. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24251 --- Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 28 April 2005 06:43, Opi Lauma > wrote: > > coi > > > > In some cases speaker can replace sumti by > {zo'e}. Do > > you know whether speaker in lojban has a > possibility > > to replace selbri by some analog of {zo'e} > (For > > example selbri is obvious or not important to > say). > > And if yes, what is a "word" for such > substitution. > > co'e > That is appropriately unspecified but not quite the "obvious or indifferent" force of {zo'e}. Possibly {go'i}, which repeats the previous bridi (or, since it can be modified in various ays, selbri) comes closer. But it is a bit too precise (informative). Nothing seem to match {zo'e} more exactly -- and we don't have the luxury of a blank (which best matches {co'e}).