From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 08 19:42:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79713 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 02:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 02:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 02:42:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DK5vt-00033J-0y for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:42:49 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DK5vf-00032y-Gl; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:42:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DK5vU-00032n-7l for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:42:24 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DK5vS-00032I-Td for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20050409024151.72370.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:41:51 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:41:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Denoting counterfactual sentences in Lojban? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24160 --- Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Apr 8, 2005 9:24 PM, John E Clifford > wrote: > > The suggestion to put it into abstract form, > {nu} > > or {du'u}, is a good one except that it is > hard > > to see what the appropriate sentences would > be; > > what selbri goes with the abstract sumti. > > ko'a nu la suzan klama > i ko'e du'u ko'a lerci > i ko'i du'u la jan djuno ko'e > i la suzan sruma ko'i Nice! > You can also use {ju'a nai} to mark something > as a non-assertion: I'm not sure what this would mean:"I don't state" as an evidential. So little evidence that I don't really want to put it forth at all? But it still seems to be an assertion. > lo nu la suzan klama cu lerci > i ju'a nai la jan djuno la'e di'u > i la suzan sruma la'e di'u > More doubtful.