Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DL0za-0004jM-RV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:38:26 -0700 Received: from n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.24]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DL0zV-0004iY-La for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:38:26 -0700 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 15:37:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.32] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2005 15:37:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79006 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2005 15:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2005 15:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.104) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 15:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 19310 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2005 15:37:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=shF7yupvND+z3eciPxve4Fvv9KuLAg5M0RmQSt8lJRx4RpeGm5FgnWPPekIBVRYAky88QKe8MilcpnCu/UrLBZue1UYqJry+oGNyqsGAIrHBd3d31lZJpeLxgfFwxYipOHln7njkpJudH+ES4A5va0PYASeQZyIZXBC5mYx6wM4= ; Message-ID: <20050411153746.19308.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:37:46 PDT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Opi Lauma X-Yahoo-Profile: opi_lauma MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: {X1 selbri X2} = {X2 se selbri X1}? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9812 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1441 Lines: 49 >Opi Lauma, >you are expecting everything to be verbs, but lojban >works on relationships. A >verb is an action, but a relationship between two >things could be a property, >not an action. The relationship between Tom and Mary >is "talking" and that >relationship is described as "beautiful." I would agree that "talking" is that, what is "beautiful". No matter whether we consider {la tam. melbi tavla la meris.} or {la meris. melbi se tavla la tam.}. I like such interpretation, because there I can see a system. However, in reference crammer {la meris. melbi se tavla la tam.} has been translated as {Mary is a beautiful-audience for Tom.}. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/