From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 26 05:28:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45552 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2005 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2005 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2005 12:28:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DQPB6-00083M-Op for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:28:37 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DQPAn-00082p-3d; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:28:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DQPAV-00082O-Mw for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:28:00 -0700 Received: from web81304.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.79]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DQPAO-00081Q-O3 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:27:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20050426122719.18344.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:27:19 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 05:27:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9876 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: {xu} - question. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24245 --- Opi Lauma wrote: > > coi > > Is it right that {mi vecnu ti xu ta}, implies > that {mi > vecnu zo'e ta} is thru and I just want to know > what is > {zo'e}, or more precisely I even have a > supposition > about {zo'e}, I think that (it is/may be) {ti}? > > ki'e .i co'o mi'e .opilaumas > Not by itself. It would be an appropriate way to ask whether your guess was right, but it could equally be the beginning of the discussion, with no earlier {zo'e} involved. And of course, if the answer is "No" (na go'i}, it might because something else was sold or nothing was or to someone else or by someone else. The placement of {xu} has some pragmatic force, "the questionable part is here," but not strong enough to to call it an implication, nmore a suggestion or first guess.