From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 22 14:19:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28474 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 21:19:48 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5Yw-0007zm-Gx for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:19:46 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5YZ-0007zK-M0; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:19:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5YN-0007zA-9q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:19:11 -0700 Received: from web81306.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DP5YH-0007ye-UE for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:19:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20050422211834.18139.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:18:33 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:18:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9860 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: {x1 x2 = x2 co x1}? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24229 > My first answer is lost somewhere in Yahoo Hell, > (and this one has been shuffled around a bit as well) but what I said was: > This supposition is totally reasonable, but > wrong. Assuming that there are no following sumti > (and what to do about what there are is another > good question) the every {s1 s2} is equivalent to > {s2 co s1} "by definition" (however we say that). > so that cannot be the source of a > subclassification of Lojban brivla. What might > work is a classification on the basis of what {s1 > s2} and {s2 co s1} *mean*: for "adjectives the > most probably might be something like "is rather > s1 for an s2" while "nouns" might most likely be > {s2 f- lo s1} or some such thing. BUT I suspect > that this difference in probabilities for > meanings is more a function of us English (etc.) > speakers carrying over our habits into Lojban and > that in native Lojban the probabilities would be > about the same for each "class" of selbri. --- Opi Lauma wrote: --------------------------------- coi I would like to ask new question. Is it right that {selbri1 selbri2} = {selbri2 co selbri1}? For example it should be right if selbri1 = {cmalu} and selbri2 = {ckule}. {cmalu ckule} = {ckule co cmalu}, isn't? However, I am not sure that {nanla ckule} = {ckule co nanla}. I have supposition, that if we divide selbri by classes which will satisfy different rules of transformation we will get classes which will correspond to substantive, verbs and adjective. For example {cmalu} and {nanla} should belong to different classes because the first of them sutisfy {x1 x2 = x2 co x1} and the second one does not. So, may be lojban also has different part of speech (however not explicitly). May be this parts come not from grammar but from meaning? mu'o mi'e .opilaumas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.