From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Apr 08 17:29:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63949 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 00:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 00:29:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 00:29:35 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DK3qx-0000qQ-9O for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:29:35 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DK3qn-0000q3-3O; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:29:27 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DK3qb-0000pt-Jr for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:29:13 -0700 Received: from web81303.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.78]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DK3qZ-0000pS-Am for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <20050409002840.46495.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.69.48.37] by web81303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Apr 2005 17:28:40 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:28:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 9800 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net X-list: lojban-list X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John E Clifford From: John E Clifford Reply-To: clifford-j@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Semantics of lojban and glibau, and Lojban FrameNet revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 24156 --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 06:24:00PM -0400, Ben > Goertzel wrote: > [on systematizing lujvo] > > Taking this kind of approach to defining > argument structures would > > seem to reduce the risk of odd > inconsistencies occurring in the > > dictionary of argument-structures... I'm > curious why a systematic > > approach like this wasn't taken in > constructing the Lojban > > dictionary, since Lojbanoidic folks seem so > interested in order > > and systematicity... it's odd that the > argument-structures are > > only imperfectly and informally systematized, > no? > > The reason is that sometimes the results of a > formalized place > structure suck ass. > > :-) > Indeed, something enough like this approach to pass has been tried from time to time and always gets overthrown because the results in particular cases are wrong in one or more respects (essentials left out, superfluous left in, wrong order, and so on). But something like this does make a useful check, showing where "anomalies" need a defense.